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joe biden did. let's listen for a second. >> we did not pull them out. >> the calendar works the same every year. >> it does work the same every year. >> the eyebrows come together and the eyes narrow and that is classic anger. >> so in their closing statements, both candidates, you think, were very interesting. >> yeah. >> let's watch joe biden's expressions during his close. he's looking down, he's not looking at the camera. not smiling. >> it looks genuine and he softened it. he's been up here for most of the debate and now he's taken the energy level down here, and then i think this is really interesting. >> like the pledge of allegiance. >> he puts his hand on his heart. that's sort of i feel you. that's a way of saying i feel you, i'm with you. >> paul ryan's close was much different than joe biden's. tell me how. >> this seems a little bit more scripted than he was for the rest of the debate. so what you see is that he's looking right into the camera. you again, though, see the eyebrows raise
joe biden did. let's listen for a second. >> we did not pull them out. >> the calendar works the same every year. >> it does work the same every year. >> the eyebrows come together and the eyes narrow and that is classic anger. >> so in their closing statements, both candidates, you think, were very interesting. >> yeah. >> let's watch joe biden's expressions during his close. he's looking down, he's not looking at the camera. not smiling. >> it...
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got it. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scranton, pennsylvania, i'm from janesville, wisconsin. do you know what the unemployment rate is in scranton today? >> i sure do. >> it's 10%. you know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5%. that's how it's going all around america. >> that's not how it's going. it's going down. >> it is down to 7.8% nationwide. one of many insta fact checking moments courtesy of vice president joe biden in last night's debate. joining us now is frank rich. new york magazine's editor at large. his next story is out next week. it's called the rate we'll triumph in the end. thank you for being here on post debate friday. >> delighted to be here with you. >> i had such a good time watching that debate. it moved so fast and i hope the interrupting was not pointless. i thought the interrupting was sort of an accountability thing. what did you think? >> it was an accountable thing. it was conversational. it wasn't stagey. it didn't seem like a stunt put together, although probably it was. al
got it. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scranton, pennsylvania, i'm from janesville, wisconsin. do you know what the unemployment rate is in scranton today? >> i sure do. >> it's 10%. you know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5%. that's how it's going all around america. >> that's not how it's going. it's going down. >> it is down to 7.8% nationwide. one of many insta fact checking moments courtesy of vice president joe biden in last...
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one a day 50+. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today. it's 10%. it was 8.5% the day you came in. that's how it's going around america. >> it's going down. >> it is going down. one of many insta fact checking moments. joining us is frank rich. his next feature story is out next week. it's called the right will triumh in the end. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i had a good time watching that debate. it moved so bad. the interrupting was not pointless. i thought it was an accountability thing. >> it was accountability and it was conversational. it wasn't stagy. it doesn't seem like a stunt put together although it probably was. the thing that worked for biden he comes across as having a sense of humor. that made his interruption not seem bad. although according to republicans he's an alcoholic, pill popping, druggy. >> they said it was damaging for the president to be scowling and damaging for the president to look worried. >> what are they supposed to look constipated al
one a day 50+. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today. it's 10%. it was 8.5% the day you came in. that's how it's going around america. >> it's going down. >> it is going down. one of many insta fact checking moments. joining us is frank rich. his next feature story is out next week. it's called the right will triumh in the end. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i had a good time watching that...
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paul ryan versus joe biden in centerville, kentucky, last night. come on, this is add good as it ever gets. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy. show me a policy where you take responsibility. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from oregon. >> and he said he does no longer support you for that. >> we put it together with the former clinton budget director. this idea -- >> who disavows it. >> this idea -- >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> well, it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> it is. we irish call it malarky. >> thanks for the translation. >> the idea if you heard that little issoliloquy on 47% and y think he just make a mistake, i think you're -- i got a bridge to sell you. >> with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very
paul ryan versus joe biden in centerville, kentucky, last night. come on, this is add good as it ever gets. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy. show me a policy where you take responsibility. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from...
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people say, that's joe being joe. but, you know, i couldn't help but think last night, and his questions, why did obama pick him to be his vice-president? he campaigned against him in the '08 election. joe won every debate. but he only got 1% of the vote. he's a unique personnel. viworked with him over the years. i like him. but there is no question in my mind when i look at joe biden and paul ryan on the stage there last night, i think paul ryan's got what it takes to take over as president. i don't think joe biden does. >> sean: you know, there are certain things he said that were factually inaccurate, one was the issue of benghazi. there was a request. we did know they asked for security. we did know it was a terror attack within 24 hours. we had testimony this week from state department officials and others, very clear on what had happened here. he seemed to throw the state department and our intelligence services down the stairs at the same time and not tell the american people the truth. that's pretty disturbing
people say, that's joe being joe. but, you know, i couldn't help but think last night, and his questions, why did obama pick him to be his vice-president? he campaigned against him in the '08 election. joe won every debate. but he only got 1% of the vote. he's a unique personnel. viworked with him over the years. i like him. but there is no question in my mind when i look at joe biden and paul ryan on the stage there last night, i think paul ryan's got what it takes to take over as president. i...
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joe for better and worse being joe. >> our adversaries are much more willing tomorrow bra embrace us >> with all due respect, that is malarkey. >> under a romney administer, we will have credibility under this issue. >> vice president biden. >> that's incredible. >> thank goodness we have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> over 100 can criminal investigations have been launched. >> go ahead. >> martha, look -- >> and at one point the vice president seemed to even hold himself back from actually cursing. >> this is a bunch of stuff. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> irish call it malarkey. >> ryan, of course, largely avoided taking the bait. he did push back at biden a few times including this little zinger. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> the democratic base needed a shot in the arm and biden gave it to them, deploying several attacks that romney failed to use in just one minute of the debate. one minute.
joe for better and worse being joe. >> our adversaries are much more willing tomorrow bra embrace us >> with all due respect, that is malarkey. >> under a romney administer, we will have credibility under this issue. >> vice president biden. >> that's incredible. >> thank goodness we have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> over 100 can criminal investigations have been launched. >> go ahead. >> martha, look -- >> and at one...
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i would have said, who is the real joe biden? and how -- abortion, that's a way bigger issue for the theology of catholicism. not fort church, but for the theology. abortion is really a big issue. gay marriage, jesus never talked about it. birth control, obviously they didn't have it back then. they're important issues, but not at the level of abortion. then you're getting into the fabric of the theology. >> i think what this does, this is obviously a conservative group that's putting out this ad, but what this does is it begs then for attack ads about romney being a mormon. >> they haven't really thus far. >> bill: he's consistent with his mormon theology. wait a minute. she's raising an issue. how do you attack romney who is a consistent mormon is this he does what they say. biden is not. >> it raises questions. just wait and see. >> bill: i'm telling you, i don't see any relevance there. they're going to go back to the 17th century on it? >> but what they've got it do is now they realize that the catholic vote is so important.
i would have said, who is the real joe biden? and how -- abortion, that's a way bigger issue for the theology of catholicism. not fort church, but for the theology. abortion is really a big issue. gay marriage, jesus never talked about it. birth control, obviously they didn't have it back then. they're important issues, but not at the level of abortion. then you're getting into the fabric of the theology. >> i think what this does, this is obviously a conservative group that's putting out...
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the jets joe mcnight ran back a 100 yard kickoff return for a touchdown. new york had a chance to take the late lead in the fourth quarter but mark sanchez was picked off by jackson with almost 2:00 left to play. >>> sad news from the nfl, former detroit lion alex kerris, well known for his role in "web "webster" is suffering from cancer. he has been suffering from dementia and it's part of that mass concussion lawsuit involving more than 3,000 players filed against the nfl. >>> to baseball. the cardinals have bashed the nationals 12-4 knotting their series at 1-1. carlos beltran hit the last four homers. the orioles put them up 2-1. baltimore tacked on a final run with 6 with a mark reynolds single there. they held on to win it 3-2. >>> to golf now where tiger woods reportedly apologized to several of his ryder cup rookie teammates for a poor performance. woods went 0-2 in team play with steve stricker. and finally, look at this. more than 20,000 supporters of the argentine soccer club river plate carried an almost five mile long flag through the streets
the jets joe mcnight ran back a 100 yard kickoff return for a touchdown. new york had a chance to take the late lead in the fourth quarter but mark sanchez was picked off by jackson with almost 2:00 left to play. >>> sad news from the nfl, former detroit lion alex kerris, well known for his role in "web "webster" is suffering from cancer. he has been suffering from dementia and it's part of that mass concussion lawsuit involving more than 3,000 players filed against the...
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this is -- joe langley. >> hi. i'm joe langley. a candidate for north carolina house of representatives district number 53 for the county. i want to tell you quickly about myself, and what i want to do, and i know how valuable your time is, so i'm going to talk really fast. i love this. here's where i live outside of ap drew. this house has been in our family over 150 years. >> plowing through his district and wants to point out that he has roots in this area. >> here's where i go to church, where i'm an usher and on the finance committee. >> this is way better than the ads on tv. i'd rather see a guy like this, showing that he's part of the community. >> exactly. and he showcases not only his community, he shows off his family. >> this is sue, my wife of 32 years and my children and grandchildren. >> then blows past them. he is a democratic candidate running against an incumbent who has been in office since 2002 named david lewis. >> do we know how he's doing in the polls thanks to this commercial? >> i think these going to be doi
this is -- joe langley. >> hi. i'm joe langley. a candidate for north carolina house of representatives district number 53 for the county. i want to tell you quickly about myself, and what i want to do, and i know how valuable your time is, so i'm going to talk really fast. i love this. here's where i live outside of ap drew. this house has been in our family over 150 years. >> plowing through his district and wants to point out that he has roots in this area. >> here's where...
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we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance. declaring victory for his running mate romney seized on what his campaign has dubbed biden's benghazi bungle sghp because the vice president contradicted the testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. and we need to understand exactly what happened. >> reporter: but back in the spin room, obama campaign manager jim messina said it was ryan who proved who was unprepared. >> he got past paul ryan's index talking card points and got to the details. >> reporter: romney will spend part of his weekend campaigning against ohio and the other in campaign prep. they agree the vice presidential debate didn't change the very much, it may have set a combative new tone for the next faceoff between romney and president obama on tuesday. >> jim, thanks. >>> let's get back to libya for a moment. it's become a focal point for the ryan/romney campaign. darrell issa was on "real time with bill maher" last night and he did not know about requests for more security. >> when vice
we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance. declaring victory for his running mate romney seized on what his campaign has dubbed biden's benghazi bungle sghp because the vice president contradicted the testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. and we need to understand exactly what happened. >> reporter: but back in the spin room, obama campaign manager jim messina said it was ryan who proved who was...
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. >> let's listen to joe biden talking about his debate last week. >> all of the debates are tough but i'm looking forward to it, i really am. the thing about congressman ryan is he's been straightforward up to everything until now, all of the significant changes he wants to make. we have a fundamentally different view of issues. >> the vice president has been studying up on ryan's real positions and is prepared to call him out oh on his actual positions. >> uh-huh. >> since there is possibly some variation between the romney campaign and the ryan campaign and the old paul. >> the key word in the clip that you just said was straightforward. he's been straightforward in the positions he has had. and so if he stands up there and says that is he pro life, well then biden can go back and say, i'm sorry, so what you're saying is, you and governor romney -- it's daylight between you two on this issue because just yesterday he said that he was fine with roe versus wade. like which is it? who is the top of the ticket? who is going to be driving the bus if you win in november? >> let's listen t
. >> let's listen to joe biden talking about his debate last week. >> all of the debates are tough but i'm looking forward to it, i really am. the thing about congressman ryan is he's been straightforward up to everything until now, all of the significant changes he wants to make. we have a fundamentally different view of issues. >> the vice president has been studying up on ryan's real positions and is prepared to call him out oh on his actual positions. >> uh-huh....
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. >> the pressure now mounting on joe biden with the kentucky clash just over 24 hours away. can he seal the deal or is he facing a mission impossible? even with the a-team linking arms the president's campaign is sticking by its own balance plan and calling reinforcements to gear up. >> i would tell them to take whatever nervous energy they have and whatever hand wringing they will do over the next 24 to 48 hours and put that into a real effort to get this president re-elected. the president can't do it by himself. >> obama has to stand and deliver and nobody can do it for him. >> can the president recover? >> right. >> can he come back and be president on the stage with the contender mitt romney? >> how great is it for barack obama, look at this positively, he's the underdog now. the president of the united states is now the underdog. >> mitt romney will be stump thing hour in battleground ohio with the fiery surrogate chris christie who will be bringing what some on the left call his own jersey shore brand of gtl. go tell lies. meanwhile, romney's getting help from at not
. >> the pressure now mounting on joe biden with the kentucky clash just over 24 hours away. can he seal the deal or is he facing a mission impossible? even with the a-team linking arms the president's campaign is sticking by its own balance plan and calling reinforcements to gear up. >> i would tell them to take whatever nervous energy they have and whatever hand wringing they will do over the next 24 to 48 hours and put that into a real effort to get this president re-elected. the...
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tomorrow night, of course, is the vp debate between paul ryan and joe biden. it was the highest vice presidential history last time around. our coverage of the vp match starts tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern. cannot wait. we'll see it there. in the meantime, it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> team romney's biggest problem is back and that problem, the one that just won't go away is mitt romney. >> tax, education, reproductive rights. >> you want to know my position on issues, ask me and i'll tell. >> you when you're mitt romney, what's wrong with a little change of heart. >> romney's flipped again. >> it's what he said about abortion. >> a woman's right to chose. >> a new romney promise. >> new policies, new statements, and new beliefs. >> no new abortion laws. >> here's what he told the des moines register yesterday. >> i didn't say that would become part of my agenda. >> here is moderate mitt. where you been, boy? i've missed you. >> basically calling him a liar. >> lied about what? he's been saying this all long. >> my presidency will w
tomorrow night, of course, is the vp debate between paul ryan and joe biden. it was the highest vice presidential history last time around. our coverage of the vp match starts tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern. cannot wait. we'll see it there. in the meantime, it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> team romney's biggest problem is back and that problem, the one that just won't go away is mitt romney. >> tax, education, reproductive rights. >> you want...
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hoping that joe isn't the same joe who occasionally suffers from bouts of acute honesty on a variety of topics like gay marriage. >> he got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity, spirit. >> joining us now from chicago, national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben "the thunder" labolt. >> new nickname every time. thanks for having me. >> thunder bolt or thunder. there's not that much setting nicknames aside, there's been talk of nunchakus brought on stage, a lot of expectations about justice how agretsive vice president joe biden will be. has president obama spoken to the veep and offered any sage words of advice? >> well, you heard it right there in the interview, i think the vice president's goal will be the same as the president's was last week to lay out the economic choice for the middle class in this election. but what he will do is try to correct the brazen attempt that the romney/ryan ticket to rewrite and hide their position. you saw "the new york times" reported the romney campaign saw on focus groups what voters liked about the debate they didn't hea
hoping that joe isn't the same joe who occasionally suffers from bouts of acute honesty on a variety of topics like gay marriage. >> he got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity, spirit. >> joining us now from chicago, national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben "the thunder" labolt. >> new nickname every time. thanks for having me. >> thunder bolt or thunder. there's not that much setting nicknames aside, there's been talk of nunchakus...
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that's what we saw joe biden doing during the debate. there was this constant sense of making paul ryan look absurd through the laughter. i've got to ask, if you're an undecided, then you're loving joe biden. but if you're undecide and watching it, does that sort of posture by the vice president change your opinion about the election one way or the other? >> it might change your opinion because you might think there's this mean v.p. being not to nice and laughing at the v.p. candidate on the other side. on the other hand it also might make you think that the v.p. candidate for the republicans is just a little bit too young for all of this. he looked -- he looked at times very nervous and all the water drinking made me think he's going to raise up the baptist finger and go to the bathroom. it think it makes you more confused because at times when they were stepping on each other, you couldn't hear what he was saying. i think the two moments that might have grabbed you was the abortion moment and the closing. i think those are the two mome
that's what we saw joe biden doing during the debate. there was this constant sense of making paul ryan look absurd through the laughter. i've got to ask, if you're an undecided, then you're loving joe biden. but if you're undecide and watching it, does that sort of posture by the vice president change your opinion about the election one way or the other? >> it might change your opinion because you might think there's this mean v.p. being not to nice and laughing at the v.p. candidate on...
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tonight's face-off between vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan is getting a lot more attention than vice presidential debates usually get. the obama campaign is looking to biden to stop the momentum mitt romney has enjoyed since the debate in denver, which governor romney was widely perceived to have won. ryan's job is to keep romney's momentum rolling. today's national gallup poll of likely voters shows governor romney with a slender lead of one point over the president. of course, that's within the margin of error so it's essentially a tie. tonight's debate isality centre college in danville, kentucky. nancy cordes and jan crawford are there. first we'll go to nancy, covering the vice president's campaign. nancy. >> reporter: scorkt the vice president arrived here in kentucky today after self days of intense preparation in his home state of delaware and several people there with him told us the president's weak performance in his own debate didn't so much change the strategy as raise the stakes and thails the vice president is very well aware he needs to have a better night t
tonight's face-off between vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan is getting a lot more attention than vice presidential debates usually get. the obama campaign is looking to biden to stop the momentum mitt romney has enjoyed since the debate in denver, which governor romney was widely perceived to have won. ryan's job is to keep romney's momentum rolling. today's national gallup poll of likely voters shows governor romney with a slender lead of one point over the president. of...
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but joe biden is joe biden and president obama is president obama. two different types of personalities. two different approaches, two different rhetorical styles. let's see if the base is as happy with president obama on wednesday morning as they were with joe biden yesterday morning. >> yeah. mike, can you tell us a little more about this new obama campaign tv ad? >> well, i think this is a case of going back to the formula that had helped build that lead in the polls prior to that first debate. you know, the so-called likability gap. the idea that mitt romney is out of touch with the average american. going back to this issue of his taxes not only has he not released his tax returns, as many presidential candidates have in the past, of course, but he's effectively paid a 14% rate on his taxes, and that is something that is a lower rate paid on investment income. let's have a listen to a little bit of that ad. >> you've paid 14% in federal taxes. that's the capital gains rate. is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than yo
but joe biden is joe biden and president obama is president obama. two different types of personalities. two different approaches, two different rhetorical styles. let's see if the base is as happy with president obama on wednesday morning as they were with joe biden yesterday morning. >> yeah. mike, can you tell us a little more about this new obama campaign tv ad? >> well, i think this is a case of going back to the formula that had helped build that lead in the polls prior to...
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joe has done this for decades. ran for president, did all those presidential debates, sitting vice president. so he clearly goes into this with a whole lot more experience than i do. this is the first time i'm on a stage like this. >> you said this is new for you. i want to show you a picture that might be a blast from the past. >> that's my first campaign. that's my lucky irish tie. >> you are going to wear that? >> i don't know. i have to dig it up. i've had seven elections and i think that's the tie. >> back in that race, your opponent is quoted as saying she's old enough to be your mother. joe biden is a generation plus. he's 69, you're 42. how much does that play into your preparation? >> i'm used to that. i came into congress when i was 28 years old. i'm used to serving with people who are older. i'm used to debate people who are older. >> it's not a secret that joe biden is going to come after you on medicare. >> i look forward to it. >> i've heard you explain and defend your medicare plan 100 times. but is
joe has done this for decades. ran for president, did all those presidential debates, sitting vice president. so he clearly goes into this with a whole lot more experience than i do. this is the first time i'm on a stage like this. >> you said this is new for you. i want to show you a picture that might be a blast from the past. >> that's my first campaign. that's my lucky irish tie. >> you are going to wear that? >> i don't know. i have to dig it up. i've had seven...
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i thought that he was very evasive about dancing around joe biden and joe biden appeared to be a lot more groomed. host: that was stan lee in fort washington, maryland. we have received several weeks on this issue -- tweets -- one of the questions last night was on afghanistan. [video clip] >> the fact is we went there for one reason, to get those people who killed americans -- al qaeda. we have decimated cockeyed central. we have eliminated osama bin laden. that was our purpose-- we have decimated al qaeda central. we said that we would help train the afghan military. it's their responsibility to take over their own security. that's why with 49 of our allies in afghanistan we have agreed on the gradual drawdown so we are out of there by the year 20 -- in the year 2014. my friend says it is based on conditions. it does not depend, for us. it is the responsibility of the afghans to take care of their own security. we have trained over 315,000 mostly without incident. there have been more than two dozen cases of green on blue, where americans have been killed. if the measures the milit
i thought that he was very evasive about dancing around joe biden and joe biden appeared to be a lot more groomed. host: that was stan lee in fort washington, maryland. we have received several weeks on this issue -- tweets -- one of the questions last night was on afghanistan. [video clip] >> the fact is we went there for one reason, to get those people who killed americans -- al qaeda. we have decimated cockeyed central. we have eliminated osama bin laden. that was our purpose-- we have...
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>> first of all, joe is joe. i think he was in complete command, overwhelming in terms of experience. yes, he smiled a little more often and that's what happens when you really believe that it's noncompetitive and it shouldn't happen. and paul ryan put in a better performance than most people, including me ever, ever expected. >> do you think biden went too far though? >> no, of course not. i think after anyone analyzes this, and i'm concerned about the public's wanting to know what the facts are. facts have anything to do with it, biden was completely in charge of it because paul ryan has been running away from this budget, the republican party has, romney has, and he really believes in what he is saying is the only thing he's done in congress. he truly believes in the numbers and cannot get his own party to explain how is this thing going to balance out? joe made it abundantly clear, if you're going to cut taxes and raise money to do it, what are you cutting? he didn't do that. on the question of vouchers in te
>> first of all, joe is joe. i think he was in complete command, overwhelming in terms of experience. yes, he smiled a little more often and that's what happens when you really believe that it's noncompetitive and it shouldn't happen. and paul ryan put in a better performance than most people, including me ever, ever expected. >> do you think biden went too far though? >> no, of course not. i think after anyone analyzes this, and i'm concerned about the public's wanting to...
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. >> let joe be joe is what president obama said before the debate and that's skpanlly what "saturday night live" had fun with last night. >> mr. biden, i know you're under a lot of duress but it would do everything good if you -- >> you don't scare me, shark eyes. you think you're tougher than me because you do the px 90 workout? let me tell you. there's jim strong and old manner. you want to know a workout. when when the amtrak breaks down, i strip down to my...